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Subject:    Posted: September 9, 2013 10:30 am

Actually this deck works better with 50 cards, removing some of them will ruin it.
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Subject:    Posted: September 11, 2013 03:41 am

There are many other better decks in Trade Cards Online, this deck just does not deserves to be at the top, there is no good utilization of the theme of Nature/Light combo, the strategy says to create mana, summon large creatures, tap opponents creatures and destroy them, there are some cards for hand support like ok Charmilia and Mist Rias but there are many other ways through which you can draw cards. Rest is upon you, lemme see how much you improve, and, IF ANYONE WANTS TO VOTE THIS DECK, 1ST CONSULT THIS DECK-
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Subject:    Posted: September 17, 2013 05:19 am

hopeless,this is just your opinion,i respect it but i've to disagree.my deck just gives you a lot of options to use it and i won't name them here,they are already named in deck description.i won't say that my deck is better than what you showed us,i let people decide this,anyway thank's for your comment .i will always welcome a decent opinion,even if it's not similar to mine.
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Subject:    Posted: September 17, 2013 02:49 pm

This joke of a duelist is pretending that a LN aggro deck with 50 cards is a top deck. First of all this isn't even his idea! He didn't even know glais existed, also his so called strategy is nothing but hiding behind powerful cards, as he did when he copied the rub deck of cosmic. If you want to see a powerful, worthy of a high rating, check the deck named extreme mejiculation.
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Subject:    Posted: September 17, 2013 07:49 pm

YO PPL. GLAIS-DELACERNA DOES NOT WORK. IT DOESN'T. PLEASE READ MY COMMENT FROM THE "There's no draw in your deck. That's a given, [...]" PART FOR EXTRA INFORMATION OR JUST CONTACT NERAFIM OR SOMETHING

I decided to give you some of my insight mainly due to the fact that I was positively surprised by your mature demeanor concering critique

I'm going to include a decklist I quickly made in notepad just so I can easily reach it for reference while writing my comment

Light: 24
2x Petrova, Channeler of Suns
2x Mist Rias, Sonic Guardian
3x Magris, Vizier of Magnetism
2x Sarius, Vizier of Surpression
3x Pala Oesis, Morning Guardian
1x La Ura Giga, Sky Guardian
2x Gran Gure, Space Guardian

2x Glais Mejicula, the Extreme
2x Craze Valkyrie, the Drastic

4x Holy Awe
1x Diamond Cutter

Nature: 18
3x Bronze-Arm Tribe
2x Charmilia, the Enticer
2x Elf-X
3x Terradragon Arque Delacerna

1x Fighter Dual Fang

2x Soulswap
2x Mana Nexus
3x Natural Snare

Multi: 8
3x Sanfist, the Savage Vizier
2x Skysword, the Savage Vizier
3x Techno Totem

On the first sight it looked like a fairly standard YG twin swarm but after going throught the list 2 or 3 times I identified two problems I believe to be extremely limiting the potential as of now. Let me share them with you.

An YG is innately kind of shaky combination. You're mashing the Nature's offense and mana control with light's defense and (at least here) Initiate's field control. And while you're trying to do everything, none of the things you do are particulary dangerous to your opponent, and you're quickly running out of options due to the absolute lack of any hand control whatsoever.

I really think that the proper way to a YG Beast Folk-Initiate is taking the offensive route and spicing things up with some field control, but that would be changing the whole deck completely, and I'm not sure if you would want that.

So what I'm going to do, is to focus on why I think that your deck is mediocre. At best.

What I mainly don't like is the card selection. A really good chunk of the included stuff is either debatable or just plain bad.
I really can't understand why would you EVER pick a Natural Snare over a Soulswap. The latter is just so much much much better it baffles me completely why wouldn't you just max out Soulswap and drop Natural Snare completely. Because let's face it, Snare is no Pit, and while sure getting rid of a target creature is awesome, it also speeds up your opponent a bit and is basically a dead card if it stumbles into your hand during early game.

Natural Snare accelerates your opponent, and Mana Nexus does the opposite to you. Used in the 4th turn is a death sentence. Used later in the game it doesn't even do all that much. An extra shield can sometimes mean a clutch escape from a defeat but considering that you're including another early game dead card to your already not-early focused deck means you're going to do extremely little during the first few turns.

I know you probably like your "nexus snare" combo but really now, drop it.

Charmilia is extreeeeeemely slow. You sacrifice your 4th turn to search for a creature during your 5th turn's attack phase (which means you cannot summon it now) and then have your Charmilia be instantly destroyed with its meek 3000 power.

Bronze is super ok, but really now, why is that the only monocolor Beast Folk you have. Honestly, where's Quixotic or Barkwhip?

I must admit I'm completely in the dark as far as the TCO's TCG metagame goes, and I don't know how much of a problem discard there is. Still, I believe that 3 Delacernas and 3 Sanfists are a tad too much. Delacerna is like a definition of a dead card... 1-2?

I wondered about Diamond Cutter, then I noticed how many blockers you have.
Why?
Speaking of light creatures, add some Miele, Vizier of Lightning. T2 Quixo T3 Miele crushes most stuff.

yo here's the part

There's no draw in your deck. That's a given, it's a YG. You're never going to use Glais-
WAIT.
Oh.
I'm sorry to say that but the Glais-Delacerna combo doesn't work. Around when the 8th set was coming out they introduced something called the "Double Substition Rule". It's basically saying that it's impossible to use two "Instead"s in a single ability chain. As in, your shield is broken, INSTEAD of having it broken you discard a card from your hand, which then INSTEAD of discarding it puts it on the table because it's Delacerna. That doesn't work. No 2 insteads in a single chain.
I tried to look for some sources to back up my words, can't find stuff on Double Substition now in the official DM site because there's no such site. The closest I got was a mention HERE, under the number 20. There's also link there to some japanese (you know, Duel Masters is originally japanese) site which apparently also talks about the rule. I guess you can google translate it to see that I'm right.

Well, now that you know that Glais-Delacerna/Glais-Sanfist doesn't work, I think you might want to change the deck a bit. So I'm going to end my comment now, just because the sole existence of the rule and you not knowing about it probably changes too much for me to say anything else.
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Subject:    Posted: September 20, 2013 05:48 am


quote from hakuoh:

This joke of a duelist is pretending that a LN aggro deck with 50 cards is a top deck. First of all this isn't even his idea! He didn't even know glais existed, also his so called strategy is nothing but hiding behind powerful cards, as he did when he copied the rub deck of cosmic. If you want to see a powerful, worthy of a high rating, check the deck named extreme mejiculation.


joke of a duelist?lol,i'm on the 4th position,above you so i think you started badly your comment.ik you are angry because my deck is higher than your poor shining vortex,but please some respect,ok?
2nd:yes upme suggested me to add mejicula,so?i play this game only for 2 months so it's nothing wrong in being helped.
3rd:hiding behind powerful cards it's actually called:strategy i don't think that someone can win using useless cards.but if you think so...
4th:yes,i made a copy of rub deck,just to have it,i really apreciate that deck,any problem here?
5th:why can't you accept that my deck is being apreciated by people?

ok now
thx gbius for your comment,but i've talked to some people and they told me mejicula-delacerna is ok,nothing wrong.
natural snare-well if you've seen,my most powerful card only has 8k.yes,in combo with techno totem or petrova it's awesome,but if there aren't those cards,natural snare is a good solution,and trust me,i don't care how much mana my opponent has while he won't be able to break my defense.charmilia is a great card it which in combination with blockers provides me anything i need.i've draw power:magris,MIST RIAS,charmilia.why not quixotic or miele?well,because people like hakuoh will say:you stold ruiner l/n deck.i don't like barship,this deck is not a RUSH deck
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Subject:    Posted: September 20, 2013 10:14 am

Being ranked 4th means nothing kiddo, i haven't played in about a week, also of course you win when you face low competition. Being helped is ok, crying for respect and being proud about someones idea isn't. I never saud you can win with useless cards, i meant to say that you are hiding behind overpowered cards while having absolutely no skill. Also, shining vortex isn't my best deck and claiming that you can defeat me is bs, you can't . My point was that people who are new vote your deck high and that you are a pathetic guy who takes credit for someone else's idea. PS: I don't care about deck ratings as you do ;).
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Subject:    Posted: September 20, 2013 07:31 pm


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thx gbius for your comment,but i've talked to some people and they told me mejicula-delacerna is ok,nothing wrong.

What people? They are wrong.
Just consult nerafim or something. Seriously, not that I care that much but you all folks are playing using a combo that is against the rules.
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Subject:    Posted: September 21, 2013 12:16 am


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Being ranked 4th means nothing kiddo, i haven't played in about a week, also of course you win when you face low competition. Being helped is ok, crying for respect and being proud about someones idea isn't. I never saud you can win with useless cards, i meant to say that you are hiding behind overpowered cards while having absolutely no skill. Also, shining vortex isn't my best deck and claiming that you can defeat me is bs, you can't . My point was that people who are new vote your deck high and that you are a pathetic guy who takes credit for someone else's idea. PS: I don't care about deck ratings as you do ;).


crying for respect?you can't ask for respect,you just get it so again you are wrong.overpowered cards and no skill?well i think skill is to know what to choose and how to use so again you are wrong.people voted my deck and that's it,stop with this jealousy.it is not someone else idea.delacerna sanfist,my idea,mejicula upme's idea so it's not 100% upme's idea,it's not 100% my idea.no skill?really?you can't accept the truth,and this is just your problem,not mine.low competition?zwei is low competetion?this is my last answer for your pathetic and jealous comments,from now on i'll simply ignore you.
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Subject:    Posted: September 21, 2013 12:23 am


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gbius for your comment,but i've talked to some people and they told me mejicula-delacerna is ok,nothing wrong.

What people? They are wrong.
Just consult nerafim or something. Seriously, not that I care that much but you all folks are playing using a combo that is against the rules.


i spoke with jumcombo..

06:18:53 [the_stellar] juncombo,is glais mejicula-delacerna combo ilegal?

06:20:07 [juncombo0] i don't think any cards by that name have combo banned
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